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GEORGE WASHINGTON'S PAPERS IN THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS

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The Papers of George Washington in the Library of Congress contain nearly the complete account of the Harmonus Dumond killing. These records may be accessed by clicking the logo to the left, or the link below: "George Washington's Papers in the Library of Congress" and then clicking on "Search" and typing in "Thomas Posey," or "William Butler,"or "Hermanus Demun" or "John Barrow." After those pages open, please note that some of these documents are several pages long, so it is necessary to click "NEXT IMAGE".

For the Posey one, scroll down to # 17 Thomas Posey, September 16, 1778, Affidavit on Scouting Expedition

For the William Butler # 13 William Butler to George Washington, September 27, 1778

For Hermanus Demun # 1 Catherine Vanwaggoner, September 15, 1778, Affidavit on Hermanus Demun

# 2 Alexander Ramsay, September 16, 1778, Affidavit on Examination of Hermanus Demun

# 3 Alexander Harper, September 16, 1778, Affidavit on Examination of Hermanus Demun

For John Barrow, who was with Harmonus Dumond when he was stopped an questioned # 1 John Barrow, September 5, 1778, Affidavit

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Schohary Middle Fort 23 Sept. 1778
May it Please Your Exellency

I make me of the Freedom to Trouble you with a
With a respect to a command, which I ordered out [from?] by
Colo. Butler, Jnr., youl be informed by these lines. That Early in
the morning of the 24th August. I recd Orders from Colo. Butler to
take a command of 60 men with [Proper?] Officers & Proceed with
with all Possible Expedition to Poughataghton & Pepacton. To Try to fall
in with som of the Enemies Parties Known to Frequent these
Settlements in order to Drive off the Stock & make Such Discoveries as they
thought necessary. My Orders Likewise directed me to Drive off all the
Stock & Horses in these Settlements. Accordingly as I have Observed Early
in the morning of the 24th I left Schohary & on the 26th got to Poughataghton
as I had been well informed these Settlements were Chiefly or all together
Inhabited by Tories, I made use of the Precautions [?] [?] in
marching through an Enemies Country, not Long after I had Entered
the Settlements of Poughataghton, some of my Scouting parties met
me, by which I was informed som of the Houses were Evacuated.
I Continued to Keep out my Scouting & proceeded with a
Possible Expedition through the Settlements. After some short time I came
to a House where I found som woman, I askt those woman what had
became of the Inthabtants. They informed me that a Scout had been from Esopus

Inhabited by Tories, I made use of the Precautions [?] [?] in
marching through an Enemies Country, not Long after I had Entered
the Settlements of Poughataghton, some of my Scouting parties met
me, by which I was informed som of the Houses were Evacuated.
I Continued to Keep out my Scouting & proceeded with a
Possible Expedition through the Settlements. After some short time I came
to a House where I found som woman, I askt those woman what had
became of the Inthabtants. They informed me that a Scout had been from Esopus

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Esopus, which had taken the Inhabitants & marchd into the Settlement.
I could not [set?] what Dependance to put on what the woman said, Especially
as I well Knew that a number of Tories from the Frontiers Settlements were
daily Flocking to Brandt and Butler. However I did not Take much
time But Proceeded, & within the distance of a Half a mile in
woods I met two men, one Driving a waggon the Other Riding
one Horse & leading another, upon Examination the one Driving
the waggon was Dumond. I askt the said Dumond where he
Going. He said to Esopus. That a Scout had been in the Settlements
& drove of all the Stock & Taken the Inhabitants Prisoners. I askt
him If any scouting Parties had Been from Unadilla lately. Or if
he Knew whether Brandt & Butler, Commonly sent in Scouting
Parties into this Settlement, he said there had. I askt him If he
Assisted them, he Told me he had assisted them in Provition, &
let them have Beef Cattle & that he assisted his King in what he could
the Other man was Examined by Capt. Long of the Rifle Chore
who was found to assisted the Enemie likewise. After having
this confession mad to me. I not Knowing what might be the
Consequence if I let him go, upon consideration. I ordered Capt. Harper
of the Militia, which compose part of my Command, So let three of his
men as a guard over Dumond & the other man named Burrow. The [Rest?]
of the Guard was to take particular care that the prisoners not get away
after which I Proceeded Down the Delaware, Thinking the Report I had Recd

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Recd of the men under Guard concerning concerning the scout from Esopus
might only be a [ ?] of Deception. That it was likely it might be a party
of the Enemie which had been in the settlement in order to get the Stock
of there me. After I had proceeded about 6 miles Down the Dellaware,
I was informed the Guard had Come up without the Prisoners. I ordered the
Guard to be brought to me, I Inquired of them where the Prisoners were,
They told me in Bringing them on, the two Prisoners attempted making
there Escape, [two crossed out words] upon which one of the Guard Fired & missed
after which one them was There Escape through the woods. The other
Kep the Rhoad, which after Pursuing near a mile one of the Guard
Fired upon & Shot him, who turned out to be Dumond, after my
Expedition Down the Dellaware, and upon my return, I C[page tear] the House
where I conversed with the woman, at which Home I found [torn] umond
Lying wounded, I askt him his reason for runing from the Guard, he
he thought we were a Party Belonging to Brandt or Butler, I
Told him he had very Little reasons to think so after the Questions I
had askt him Concerning Brandts & Butlers Parties, I askt him If he
did not remember he had said he assisted his King, he said yes.
He remembered it well, & that he realy had assisted his King in what
Lay in his power.
This Letter I make Free to Trouble you with as
Knowing that some of the People about Esopus & other places, who are
Friends to this Dumond have been endeavoring to Paint this matter in

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in a very Black Light to the Governor, & sundree Other People, my
affidavit, with the rest of the officers affidavits which was with me
on this Command, Colo. Butler Informs me, he will send inclose
to you for your perusial.
I am with Esteem, Sir
Your Obedient Humble Servt.
Thomas Posey

A different version of this letter was sent directly to General George Washington by Posey which I have transcribed from the original in the George Washington Papers at the Library of Congress, 1741-1799: Series 4. General Correspondence. 1697-1799

Thomas Posey, September 16, 1778, Affidavit on Scouting Expedition

To Gen. George Washington

In persuance of Orders Deliverd me by Lieut Col. William Butler
I set out from Schohary 24th August early in the Morning reached Poughkataughten on the 26th of the Same Month, this Place being pointed out to me, to be chiefly Inhabited by Tories, and People who had actually been in Armes, against the Country. I made use of Precautions, with regard to the Command of Party (after being made acquainted with the People that Inhabited that Quarter) As being in an Enemies Country when I arrived. The first houses my Scouts came to, they found to be evacuated, upon which they came to me, I immediately sent out another small party, in order to Reconitre, while I penetrated through the (country-word crossed-out)
Settlement. In some Short I came to a House, wherein I found some Women, I made a Halt, for some short time, and enquired of the Women, what had become of the People, they told me there had been a Scout, which had taken them, and what Stock they had, in the Settlement. I did not take up much time in Questioning the Women, but marched on, and within the distance of half a mile, in a piece of Woods, met two Men, one driving a Waggon and the other on Horseback, and leading another Horse, with a gun slung to his back. I halted my Party, and upon Examination found the Man, with the Waggon, to be one Demon I asked him where he was driving his Waggon? He said he was moving his Goods into the Settlement, That a Scout had been from Esopus, which had taken all the Stock, and chief of the Inhabitants. I asked him, if there had been any Scouting Parties from Unandilla lately
or whether Butler or Brandt, frequently sent Scouting parties into this Settlement? He said they had Sent Scouting Parties at different times! I asked him (the said Demon) whether he had assisted the Enemy? He answered he had assisted his King, in whatever he was able to do! he had given them Beef, Cattle and such things or assistance as he could from time to time........................ After I had asked him such Questions as I thought proper, I ordered Captain Harper of the Militia, to set three of his Men as a guard Demon, and the Man, who was with him, whom I understand since, is one Burrows. Burrows was Examind at the same time by Capt Long of the Rifle Corps, and upon Examination wasFound, to have assisted the Enemy in Cattle, he (the said Burrows) had gun with him which some of the Party had took from him, The Guard took them the said (Demon and Burrows) into their Custody and was ordered to take Particular care of them ................
I pursued with all Possible Expedition, down the Delaware hunting, as those men had Demonstrated themselves to be Enemies to the Country, by the Confession they had made, that they only Intended imposing on me, with regard to moving into Esopus, that perhaps it might be a Party of the Enemy, which had been there, when I got near the lower End of the Settlement (which was about 6 miles) I was told that the guard which had
the Prisoners, in Charge was come up without them upon which I ordered them to be brought to me, and asked them, where the Prisoners were, they told me they (the Guards) had taken the Horses out of the Waggon, mounted the two Prisoners on a horse, and each of them the Guard-
ding on the other Horses, followed me, That after riding some Distance

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The two Prisoners rode of to try to make their Escape, upon which they (the Guards) Immediately Pursu'd, and finding they (the Prisoners, were likely to get off thro' the Woods one of the Guard fired upon them, and missed, they (the Prisoners) then dismounting one of them made his Escape, thro' the Woods, the other kept the Road, after Pursuing near a mile, the one who Continued the Road, was fired upon and Shot , who prov'd to be Demon
they (the Guards) left him in a House, and made their Way as quick as possible to the Party ....

After my Excursion down the Delaware, in which I gather'd what Stock I
could, which amounted to few, being chiefly drove off by the other Party I return'd to the House, that I had convers'd with the Women, before mentioned, In which I found Demon, the Person who was Shot by the Guards, I asked him his reason for running from the Guard? His excuse was, that he thought we were some of Brandts, or Butlers Men I asked him, how he could think so, when I upon meeting him, asked him if any of Butlers or Brandts, Parties, had been in this Neighborhood, lately, upon which
you replied! there had! And that you had assisted, Brandt and Butler in Beef
I asked him if he could deny what he said to me, upon meeting me first? He said No! That he acknowledg'd, he said what I asserted, and said he really had assisted the King, after which I left him, and proceeded to Schohary....
Several of [words "several of" crossed out] The Soldiers might have taken several Things in the Settlement without my Knowledge, but I made them give them up, and return several things, which I discover'd them to take....
Thomas Posey Capt Command

Thomas Posey Capt Command

Rifle Regiment

Personable approv'd before me a Justice of the Peace for the County
of Albany in the State of New York, Thomas Posey, and Declar'd Purpose of the foregoing, to be fact, according to the best of his Knowledge...

Given under my Hand this 16th day of Sept in the Year of our Lord One thousand seven Hundred and seventy Eight

Jonas Vroman Justice

Albany County

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Being on command by order of Lieut Col. William Butler & abt[?] order the Imediate Command of Major Posey Agust 26th, 1778 We went to Paughtaughen, Stopped at a house belonging to Simon Vanwaggoner which was the Second house we came to in the Settlement; I heard Capt. Harper ask a woman, which I understood was the Landlady of said house & the Said Capt. Harper asked her if She was as Great a tory as She formerly was. She answer'd She was not a tory, and if he did Not believe her he Might Enquire of Harmanus Demunge Who was a tory - we then persued our Rout about half a mile, where we Met Said Demunge with his Waggon & horses and
another Man Riding one horse and Leading another loaded with goods Said Demunge being Stopped by the party Capt. Harper came forward to the waggon & asked sd Hermanus Demunge his Name who answered that his Name was Demunge, the Said Capt. Harper asked him if he was as good a man for the King as he used to be, he answered yes, what have you Done for the King or his party in this Country & how Many Cattle did you give Brants party; he answered I gave four head of Cattle & Supplyd them with all the provisions that lay in My power; Harper asked him again will you Supply them with any More, he answered he would but the Rebels had carried them
all to Esopus Meaning his Chattles & Provisions as I understood him with My family -- Harper then asked the Man that was with Demunge how Many Cattle he had given to Brant he said one I believe Said Harper you are a churlish fellow; the answer Said Not hear but Harper Replied that he was a poor Man and had but one cow left --

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On our Return out of Said Settlement Major Posey Stopped his Command and ordered the Soldiers to be Searched & all the cloathing or other necessarys belonging to the Inhabitants to be Returned also My Self ordered the goods that the Musquetree had to be collected when came to camp & Returned which was done and left at Major Churchs Marquee --

Alexr Ramsey Lt. [?]

Sworn before Me this 16th day of Sept. 1778

Jonas Vroman Justice in the

Copy County of Albany in the State

of New York --

affidavit

Lieut. Ramsey

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